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Ben Mazur
07-18-2007, 10:42 AM
News from the RYA/

Powerboat disciplinary findings upheld
Fuel tampering incident
Published: 17/07/2007

The findings of a Powerboat Disciplinary Board hearing held by the RYA in October 2006 have been upheld by the Sports Dispute Resolution Panel.

The Panel concluded that disciplinary charges brought against Fatboy powerboat racing team members Robert Lister and William Nocker were justified and that their disqualification from holding any offshore powerboat racing licence before January 2012 should stand.

The original charges followed an incident in Liverpool during the 2006 Honda Formula 4-Stroke Powerboat offshore series, when driver Robert Lister was recorded on CCTV as he interfered with the fuel tank of a rival boat. He and navigator William Nocker were disqualified from the event and called before a subsequent Disciplinary Board to answer charges of gross misconduct under Rule F26 and unsportsmanlike behaviour under Rule F32(j) of the RYA Offshore Racing Handbook.

Although Lister admitted to the offence when confronted with the CCTV evidence, Nocker denied involvement and claimed that his driver had acted alone in evading security patrols to enter the pontoon on which the rival boat was berthed and use a water hose to add 70 litres of water to its fuel tank.

Confirming the Sports Dispute Resolution Panel award, Arbitrator Charles Flint QC noted inconsistencies in the evidence given by Lister and Nocker as well as in their behaviour during the event itself. Evidence given by the pair also conflicted with a log of their mobile telephone conversations and text messages at the time.

Concluding that Lister and Nocker had indeed acted in concert, the written decision of the Arbitrator states: “There can be no more serious offence than sabotaging a competitor’s boat. The offence strikes at the heart of fair competition.” Accepting that Lister and Nocker may not have intended to cause physical harm to their rivals, it nevertheless points out that sabotage, “…places the competing team in the way of danger because, unknown to them, their engine may fail at any time.”

Mark Osgood of Moore Blatch solicitors, who represented the RYA, said, "The Arbitrator had the opportunity to hear the evidence of all the relevant witnesses and formed the view that Mr Nocker and Mr Lister were acting together, dismissing their case that Mr Lister acted alone."

Welcoming the judgement, RYA Powerboat Racing Manager John Puddifoot said: “The RYA Powerboat Disciplinary Tribunal reached its decision based on the evidence available to it and the gravity of the offences with which the members of the Fatboy team were charged.

“It has been a long and demanding process to pursue this case and the RYA has been called upon to meet its costs in doing so. However, the outcome is a victory for the stance we have taken and I am delighted for the powerboat racing community in general that it sends out such a clear warning that those who break the rules will be caught and punished.”

Cookee
07-18-2007, 11:31 AM
Send them a bill! If costs were at stake would they have appealed?

ForTwo
07-19-2007, 12:52 AM
Doing things like that should be banned from racing "4EVER"

Rupert Munro
07-19-2007, 03:32 AM
Doing things like that should be banned from racing "4EVER"

Send them a bill! If costs were at stake would they have appealed?

Agree with both of you.

ciao
07-19-2007, 06:57 PM
Why would you put 70 liters of water in a petrol tank?

I can't see the upside, unless they were off their heads.

Rupert Munro
07-20-2007, 01:35 AM
Why would you put 70 liters of water in a petrol tank?

I can't see the upside, unless they were off their heads.

So it broke/affected the engine and the boat isn't competitive!

kiwiracer
07-20-2007, 04:13 AM
i thought costs of appeals was met by the appealant if they are unsuccessful

Cookee
07-20-2007, 06:51 AM
i thought costs of appeals was met by the appealant if they are unsuccessful


You would think so wouldn't you - it seems the RYA were left with the bill if this is true! It has been a long and demanding process to pursue this case and the RYA has been called upon to meet its costs in doing so.

ciao
07-20-2007, 08:22 AM
So it broke/affected the engine and the boat isn't competitive!

You miss my point, fuel contaminated with a tiny bit of sea water has cost me a race, so was it malicious sabotage or an extremely crass "joke" gone badly wrong?

Cookee
07-20-2007, 08:56 AM
You miss my point, fuel contaminated with a tiny bit of sea water has cost me a race, so was it malicious sabotage or an extremely crass "joke" gone badly wrong?


Malicious sabotage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure where the confusion is - they have been banned etc because they poured a lot of water in someone else's fuel tank in the middle of the night - how can that be a joke :confused:

Rupert Munro
07-20-2007, 09:12 AM
You miss my point, fuel contaminated with a tiny bit of sea water has cost me a race, so was it malicious sabotage or an extremely crass "joke" gone badly wrong?

Ah, sorry! But as Cookee says - clearly sabotage, especially given that (I believe) it was between the two teams for the championship.

Rupert Munro
07-20-2007, 09:13 AM
You would think so wouldn't you - it seems the RYA were left with the bill if this is true!

Maybe they have the bill for their part of it - surely the costs of the team appealing would be paid by them - just the RYA's Lawyer fees etc paid by them, which is still wrong though.

ciao
07-20-2007, 09:13 AM
I am trying to work out why they were not banned for life.....

Rupert Munro
07-20-2007, 10:10 AM
I am trying to work out why they were not banned for life.....

Why are murderers and rapists ever let out.....

Morgs
07-20-2007, 10:11 AM
From re reading the release, it appears to me that the appeal was based on the grounds that Nocker did not collude with Lister. Therefore being unduly penalised by being named as a colluding party.

Lister admitted his guilt, ‘Although Lister admitted to the offence when confronted with the CCTV evidence’ that was not the issue behind the appeal, the act of collusion was the reason.

Being a paid up member of the RYA I am not pleased that the RYA is spending my membership fees on a QC from an action brought about from an unsuccessful appellant.

Rant rant rant……

Why are they not banned for life either!

Rupert Munro
07-20-2007, 05:10 PM
I totally agree re money spent on a QC being paid by the RYA for an appeal (that failed) against them.

However, (maybe this is because I'm going soft or that its after a long day at work) but the ban is for 5 years which is a fairly long time seeing as powerboat racing of this type is more of an interest than anything anywhere near work. Although i am totally opposed to cheating, it would be very harsh to ban someone for life, especially as this is meant to be a fun hobby/sport etc. life is a very long time.....people can change, many do not but in these circumstance its ok to give someone a second chance after a severe penalty (imagine after competing every weekend not to be able to do it for 5 years). As long as they have lost out financially and in enjoyment then that is enough in my opinion. This isn't killing someone or something of that stature (for which life in prison/death penalty - dont debate that one - are fair) its offshore racing for fun and the ban/penalty (in my view) is fair. It would be interesting to hear others views on this, obviously if this was in P1 or C1 then it would be a different matter but this is amature racing.

Anyway that's my 2p's worth.....

Rupert Munro
07-20-2007, 05:15 PM
Also to clarify - taken from boatmad.com - the RYA's legal costs did not come from the powerboating budget, which is nice to hear, although the actual cost is unknown at the moment (to me anyway :) !)

Cookee
07-23-2007, 06:10 PM
Also to clarify - taken from boatmad.com - the RYA's legal costs did not come from the powerboating budget, which is nice to hear, although the actual cost is unknown at the moment (to me anyway :) !)

It's also interesting to note that it hasn't been stated where the budget for this came from ............. elsewhere in the RYA? I'm sure the yachties will be bending over backwards to pay for legal fees!

littlenige
08-04-2007, 05:57 AM
I wonder how the Fatboy racing team would be feeling if the opposing team's motor had cut out at a point where there was a chance (however remote) of them being hit by another boat and one of the crew being killed? Sounds a ludicrous theoretical piece of speculation on my part I know, but the consequences of their actions could have been so much worse than 'just' a chance to snatch the championship.................it was an appalling action and they should have been banned for life.

ciao
08-04-2007, 04:28 PM
I wonder how the Fatboy racing team would be feeling if the opposing team's motor had cut out at a point where there was a chance (however remote) of them being hit by another boat and one of the crew being killed? Sounds a ludicrous theoretical piece of speculation on my part I know, but the consequences of their actions could have been so much worse than 'just' a chance to snatch the championship.................it was an appalling action and they should have been banned for life.

Their behaviour was crass, but 70 liters of water in a petrol tank ? The opposition was never in danger of going anywhere.

littlenige
08-05-2007, 06:11 AM
good point - and I read that earlier in the thread!!